~~ CANADA COURT WATCH PROGRAM~~

[Stunned]

I have included a link for an Ontario online petition for government accountability. It is unfortunate that the majority of people that get targeted by these rogue agencies have little resources, such as internet or a voice.

I have reposted the link to a you tube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLbnyKYAIRs

Here is the petition, please take a minute to sign it.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/corruptioncentral/

Fight on everyone, dont give up,

Stunned

[visitzkidz]

Will do! We need these self-empowered people to know we're not uninformed and powerless.

These people were very shocked to find we had food in a... wait for it... FREEZER! They were very surprised to find out I knew about Dufferin VOCA (fixcas.com) and super surprised when, although technically disabled, I had three copies of children's infant milesptones and knew them all by heart. Incidentally, children do not know them and tend to disregard the deadlines either earlier or later than these publications recommend.

With my third child, the PSW said she had to watch me bathe my son!
(Parent Support Worker). See? I said BATHE, not BATH.


Viz

[Stunned]

Just wanted to repost under my login and to help get past the colorful, but humorous response. Thank you, your bold, colourful print is what I needed to wake me up. I hope I have not broken any forum rules by reposting.

Hello all,

Just wanted to continue to update our story and advocate for everyone involved with this absolutely corrupt Family Law System and the Children's Aid Societies that our government allow to operate in our country under present Canadian Law. We have been extremely busy over the last few months gathering information, recording conversations, which I must add has only happened because we have educated ourselves on the tactics of Children's Aid, Family Law, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, have not relied on our legal aid lawyer, and have taken steps to protect our family.

Back in December 2006, when we first started to see the unethical tactics of Children's Aid Society we decided to seek information online, which was in fact how we came across CanadaCourtWatch. Based on the horrific stories from citizens and government reports we began to record everything, including conversations with our lawyer, which I will cover.

I would like to start on a positive note by saying that we have been able to visit our youngest child after 5 months of separation and my spouse has finally had one conversation with our oldest children in 8 months. I do believe that these are ending very soon as I have really exposed, in my opinion, the illegal actions of these people involved and have run out of resources to enable us to keep up with the Societies unethical tactics and demands.

During our first meeting with C.A.S, which took almost 6 months for C.A.S to initiate, we were told with our lawyer present, that we would have a visit with our youngest child the following week. As I had stated in an earlier post that visit never happened. Instead we were put in a room with 2 C.A.S workers, which our recording shows were more interested in what we were going to tell our children about them and what they had done by cutting off contact by a court order than anything else. They were also extremely concerned about the advocates we had brought with us, actually showing concern about their presence and wanting full names of the parties. They say it is for the children's protection, but I would bet they really wanted to know if these people were involved with advocacy groups, political parties, or maybe civil lawyers. but that is our assumption. These people have actually known our family and are closer to our children than the estranged drug dealing grandparents who have custody.

During our first actual visit with our youngest son, an emotionally traumatized women started freaking out outside the visitation room window, you can hear my son asking us what is wrong and why is that lady crying. The toys are filthy and almost all of them were broken. The teddy bears had stains and anything that was mechanical or took batteries was broken. Clearly stated on recordings.

During a second visit, we had requested to go outside to play, as a family we have always been very active and outdoorsy. They actually say it is an unusual request to take your children outside. It was finally approved and we were allowed to take our child outside to play in an area of grass about 10' feet wide and 25' long. This is an unfenced chunk of lawn next to a main 4 lane highway. Absolutely unbelievable. I have taken pictures of the area.

During our forth visit at a different office we again expressed a desire to go outside to play with our child. After much confusion as what seems to be a very unusual request we were allowed to go around the back of the building and play with some stones next to the maintenance shed. This is also about 20 feet from the C.A.S workers smoking area. I have pictures but our child is in every one, so will take new ones. I hope they do not call the police when I'm out back taking pictures.

During our fifth visit, again our tapes will show that a frantic women came into the office screaming, crying, and demanding to see her children. The tapes clearly show my sons concern and worry about what is going on. I had to step outside of the visitation room, and plead with the women to stop and call CanadaCourtWatch, We understand her frustration, we truely do. Once again all recorded.

Now I would like to comment on just these 5 visits for a moment. In 2 out of 5 of our visits to one of the Society's safe visitation rooms our youngest child has been exposed to trauma 40% of the time. The tapes clearly prove these things happened and effected and worried our son. Secondly our tapes clearly have the Children's Aid Society saying they have no funding for outdoor activities at either of their offices, but they can go to Carribean getaways and buy expensive vehicles. These tapes clearly have one worker saying they have absolutely no plan for our children. These tapes clearly have me following the C.A.S complaint procedure and a worker actually threatening me by saying "I better watch what I say". Now keep in mind this is all in the best interest of my children.

When our children were apprehened we lived in another city, 2 districts away from the agency we are dealing with. According to the Society they were not apprehended but we agreed. This office illegally and against the Charter of Rights threatened to apprehend a family members children if we were not removed from the home. We have the letter. This left us basically homeless, but still with 2 incomes. Within 3 weeks my spouse was let go from work for being unable to carry out her managerial duties due to taking off days for court, lawyers appointments and her refusal to work overtime because this was the only time we could visit our youngest child. Our youngest child was placed in a third totally seperate district. After our son was physically hurt under their care and we called the police, the Society placed a court order cutting off all contact and moved our son to another district, unknowing to us. During this time we made arrangements to move to where our youngest child was, we were running out of resources and the travel, motels, and long distance were eating our savings up. Now our youngest is in another district. According to the tapes we have the agency with all its resources can not allow visits in our community due to the time and distance, but are expecting the parents whom they have sabatoged twice, to do the same thing. We have read the policy on a tranfer of files and have a tape of a worker starting to say they can not transfer files and than changing her story to say it is an unusual request they have never had to deal with when I question her first answer. It would appear to us that the Society is not only trying to sabotage our attempts to stabilize, but is trying to use these unethical tactics to their advantage to make it difficult for us to stay in contact with our children.

On to our lawyer who has been caught numerous times on tape lying and trying to mislead us. We have done some research through The Law Society of Upper Canada's web page and can specifically point out 2 things our lawyer has breached. We have conversations of our lawyer saying everything we have is irrelevant. During our second visit we decided to take an advocate, just to keep our laywer honest. This second visit is completely different than the first or any other recording. In this meeting with our advocate present they clearly say they didn't know or were not aware of our evidence. They clearly state that they are going to look into specific things and actually take some of our daughters diaries and other letters to look over. Our advocate has also come to swear an affidavit on our behalf. The lawyer says to slow down we do not need to go that far yet. We received a letter dated shortly afterwards where this lawyer, it appears is trying to cover up their lack of action and responsibility to their clients. The letters states we have provided no evidence and they have not received any information about parties wanting to file afidavites. It seems they are trying to create a paper trail which gives the impression we have done nothing. We have also, as I stated in an earlier post, suspected the Children's Lawyer of lying about the children's wishes in court. The Society clearly stated that the children did not wish to return to our care. Now because our lawyer is either comletely incompetent or is somehow scared to speak up, I stated in court that we have official Military Police reports stating the opposite true. It was not until the papers were found to exist did our lawyer just happen to bump into the Children's lawyer and now 2 of the children wish to return home, and the third does not care one way or another. I was really hoping they would try to say the Military police had it all wrong and let them fight it out amongst themselves, but just the same their position has now changed. Is this due to a change in my children's wishes or just because they do not wish to call into question the police report. This is extremely disturbing. All this is on tape. Keep in mind our lawyer has no idea that they have been recorded. UNTIL TODAY.

This is why we are now posting this update. We are mentally prepared to lose our children to lies, injustice and corruption. We have no choice but to accept the worst may happen due to all that we have read and witnessed. This agency has taken a loving, hard-working, responsible family and utterly destroyed it. We have ended up on social services and realize that the Society has systematically tried to destroy and paint a picture that facts show differently. They have showed double standards in their comments and actions about the best interest of the children. Today we finally confronted our lawyer with our tapes. We have them on tape now saying they are going to suggest we get a lawyer in our area. It was not until we told this lawyer we had taped everything did they want to drop our case. I actually told them we want to keep them in hopes they will change their corrupt ways and if they do not, we still wish to keep them because it will make the civil suit easier. They are not going to get away with what they are doing. We will take no other options now but a trial. We will end this mockery called Family Court and be preceeding with civil action. Our plan at this point is to draw closure to this outrageous explotation of our children. We will be both going back to work and we will then be using every dollar we make to seek justice and compensation, not in this joke called family court but in civil court.

Wishing you all the best in your struggle. We hope you all have the same fortune as us in recording and fighting these tyrants,

Stunned

[ex-Canadian]

The following definitions were cut and pasted from the online wikipedia. I found them very relavent to what is happening in this country with regards to Children's Aid Society. You decide...


A tyrant is a single ruler holding vast, if not absolute power through a state or in an organization. The term carries connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who place their own interests or the interests of a small oligarchy over the best interests of the general population which they govern or control. This mode of rule is referred to as tyranny.

Oppress to be targeted by the cruel exercise of power in a society or social group. It is particularly closely associated with nationalism and derived social systems, wherein identity is built by antagonism to the other. The term itself derives from the idea of being "weighted down."

The term oppression is primarily used to describe how a certain group is being kept down by unjust use of force, authority, or societal norms. When this is institutionalized formally or informally in a society, it is referred to as "systematic oppression". Oppression is most commonly felt and expressed by a widespread, if unconscious, assumption that a certain group of people are inferior. Oppression is rarely limited solely to government action. Individuals can be victims of oppression, and in this case have no group membership to share their burden of being ostracized.

The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force which operates above the normal constraints found in a liberal democracy. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive. The classification of a country or regime as a police state is usually contested and debated. The classification is often established by an internal whistleblower or an external critic or activist group. The use of the term is motivated as a response to the laws, policies and actions of that regime, and is often used pejoratively to describe the regime's concept of the social contract, human rights, and similar matters.

In criminal law, kidnapping is the taking away or asportation of a person against the person's will, usually to hold the person in false imprisonment, a confinement without legal authority. This is often done for ransom or in furtherance of another crime. A majority of jurisdictions in the United States retain the "asportation" element for kidnapping, where the victim must be confined in a bounded area against their will and moved. Any amount of movement will suffice for the requirement, even if it is moving the abductee to a house next door.

I had to add this, makes you wonder...

Kidnapping for money is almost non-existent in the United States of America today, due in great part to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's aggressive stance toward kidnapping. The Bureau made kidnap for ransom a special priority, and continues to do so today. It pursues kidnap cases ferociously, as agents who have rescued kidnap victims have been known to describe the rescue as a personal high point of a career.

Corruption is a general concept describing any organized, interdependent system in which part of the system is either not performing duties it was originally intended to, or performing them in an improper way, to the detriment of the system's original purpose.

Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation in a court of law or in any of various sworn statements in writing. Perjury is a crime because the witness has sworn to tell the truth and, for the credibility of the court, witness testimony must be relied on as being truthful. Perjury is considered a serious offense as it can be used to usurp the power of the courts, resulting in miscarriages of justice

In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them – usually, to obtain property or services unjustly. [1] Fraud can be accomplished through the aid of forged objects. In the criminal law of common law jurisdictions it may be called "theft by deception," "larceny by trick," "larceny by fraud and deception" or something similar.

Just some food for thought

It is not good hearted politicians that make good laws. Throughout history it is always through dissident citizens actions that great laws are created.

[Guest]

I would have done the same thing and will not give up until they stop exploiting children in the name of protection.
Our Children has Rights too, they have a voice, why silence them for?
they are up to something. which is their investment of monies on these poor children around the world. Children are money making machines to them. That's what it is in reality of it all it is about. They won't admit and deny the fact because they don't want to face the truth but some day they shall face the truth.

I say "follow the money". and there you will find the truth.

[T D]

TO STUND: would you consider properly organizing, and assisting in doing what would be a, aproximatly 4 hour disposition, on video?, but specific video equipment would be required! if so please send me private message!

[suk kit]

I may be wrong here but is this a disposition of witnesses for a court case? If that is what you are doing here are some brief facts minus some other very important information you must know: I not post that because it is technical law and if I am wrong here in assuming then waste of time.

This is also for others information when you are wanting to discover a witness after filing and serving a court document. If you are involved in a family court case you have a right to discover but not a right to badger. There is a clause and it can be Ordered "hostile witness" get that Order and you can badger to a degree.

On this CCW forum when a person reads disposition that should mean court of some sort that is what this forum is about COURT so here are some facts about COURT DISPOSITIONS BRIEFLY:

Four hour disposition at a licensed recorders office is huge dollars.

A recorders office will not allow private video that is why they charge you per hour and per page and they keep the audio tape.

No witness will ever consent to an out of court private video anyway unless they are on bad drugs or retarded.

If it is one witness 4 hours of questions would suggest a person who is like Bill Clinton, there is not any person in child protection that qualified.

If it is more than one witness then 4 hours requires a whole day maybe two.

Remember the witness does not have to appear in an out of court discovery even when you properly serve and you have a case filed.

If it is a no show witness then you need to go to court on a motion and argue and have a judge Order the person to appear.

NO judge will do that because it is a out of court disposition request and no judge has jurisdiction.

You would need a court case that has been filed and made it past the first few stages of motions and cross motions in other words the judge finds malice and Orders the case to trial.

If that happens then you can get an Order to question the person(s) and they have to appear. If they do not an arrest warrant "may" be issued another process in court.

Now the reason I POST this TD is because on the case law post you wrote you wanted to take a polygraph exam and were refused then you said you phoned the Detroit FBI to have a drug induced exam and were refused. By making these statements you must really want to take a polygraph so instead of chasing a 4 hour disposition at $1000.00 lets say spend the $500.00 ON A PRIVATE POLYGRAPH. Now if the polygraph is of no relevance to your court or child then forget it.

[suk kit]

So you all know what happens in a nut shell when filing a Plaintiff's Statement of Claim against the Children's Aid Society the Defendant in Superior Civil Court. Small claims court never will work so anyone that tells you to go there have no clue those judges laugh and dismiss all in one second. If you have been wronged and your children obviously are the reason then 30k is not worth the headache of court anyway and you put that amount on your child's head how cheap that is.

It will take a long time to have a final end if you can even put your mind into it. You have to know how to format documents, articulate your thoughts on paper and argue those thoughts with intelligence in court no judge has to listen to babble and if you get in front of a jury they do not want to listen either. Have a JURY BOOK (your evidence highlighted and tabbed chronologically) prepared to give to the jury if you get that far. This will scare the lawyers for the Defendant.

The first frivolous and vexatious section 140 of the Courts of Justice Act motion this is an automatic file, the Defendant's lawyer(s) first motion which will cite case laws calling the claim an abuse of process no cause of action, etcetera.

Remember you have to show malice in the claim right away no malice judge will throw out the claim and if you want to still go forward you will always from that point on have to ask for leave even to file a simple motion and that takes 6 months for the judge to read in chambers, you are f'd at the get-go.

Be prepared to wait up to 6 months to hear that first F&V s.140 motion after filing the Statement of Claim. That s.140 motion will be attached to their Notice of Defense. Be prepared to file a cross-motion to that frivolous and vexatious s.140 motion right away.

If you win then the Defendant has 7 days only from the date of the judgment not from when they get it to file an Leave to Appeal in Divisional court.

Be prepared to wait 3 months to hear their Leave to Appeal Motion.

If they win leave to appeal be prepared to wait up to 12 months to hear that Leave to Appeal in Divisional court.

If they win be prepared to appeal to the Court of Appeal for Ontario within 30 days do not be late and those documents called, Factum, Motion Record, and Book of Authority. Three different books in green back and cover sheets they must be perfect or they will be refused by the Registrar. Be prepared to wait a year to hear that appeal.

If you win they will appeal be prepared to wait a year to hear their appeal and again you must file Response documents called, Factum, Motion Record, and Book of Authority again three different books in green back and cover sheets.

If you win in the Court of Appeal for Ontario you may get lucky and end up back where you started and a trial process starts. Be prepared to wait 6 months for a trial date depending on the courthouse schedule for jury trials.

If you do not get lucky they will appeal to the SCC and those documents are really tough named the same but in Beige cover and back sheet and again be prepared to wait a year for a decision.

If they win all is for not if you win back to the start and trial dates and disposition dates and more motions and jury selection and the game begins.

Judges in civil court do not put up with nonsense because it costs way to much money to adjudicate a civil case especially with a jury notice attached. And that judge makes $800 a day in salary not a cheap judge to the tax payers.

Lawyers for the defendant(s) will use all the tricks in the book with the help of the bench remembering self representing litigants are intruding in a specialized forum.

Not likely in Ontario a person will find a lawyer who will sue the "cas" unless you have $100,000.00 retainer which will get eaten up before any trial starts. So have lots of money in the bank or be prepared to chase the fundamental justice fund very hard to get not impossible, it is like pulling wisdom teeth hurts but soon the pain is over that pain being the Attorney General's pocket book.

[suk kit]

Sorry paragraph 8: If they win leave to appeal be prepared to wait up to 12 months to hear that Leave to Appeal in Divisional court.

should read:
If they win leave to appeal be prepared to wait up to 12 months to hear that Appeal in Divisional court.

[Guest]

So...

I have some more interesteing things to share. Keep in mind that our lawyer defintely knows and C.A.S, and the children's lawyer more than likely know, we have concrete proof of perjury from accountable government records and have been taping all meetings, with all parties over the last SEVERAL months. Not ANY of this information was brought forward, researched or shared by our lawyer or the Children's Aid Society with the courts to my knowledge. Everything has been dug up and verified by us, at our expense. In this time, to oppress us, the Society has illegally evicted us from our home with threats to steal other citizens children, caused the loss of both our incomes, assisted in the kidnapping of our children and proceeded to deny and turn a shoulder to their illegal actions. I must also now add that the above threatened children are now in C.A.S custody. The father of said children filed a complaint with their local M.P.P. in regards to the illegal eviction of us. Now their children are in C.A.S. custody and the systematic oppression and destruction will now invade their family. WOW.

We arrive to our trial date and immediately notice none of the third parties are in attendence; grandparents or social workers. We are handed an affidavit by our lawyer. It is actually a very good affidavit, containing relevant information and was obviously rewritten over the weekend. The revealing of the recorded meetings may have caused our lawyer to actually do something on our behalf. We expressed great appreciation because it was obvious that time was spent on this and we thanked our lawyer accordingly. We only found 1 child's DOB wrong, 1 mispelled name and a small error in a fact that took place years ago, but corrections were readily made.

To date, we have been told by our lawyer, the Act does not apply to having a hearing within 5 days of apprehension, evidence does not have to be put in 30 days prior to a court date, case time management does not matter, and the 12 month permanent placement of children under a certain age is apparently non existent. We are very confused. We know we are suppose to be confused and scared when we go to court, but we can honestly say now that we really dont understand the system, the law, or this useless CFSA, that doesn't seem to be worth the paper it is written on.

We then proceed to ask our lawyer if they could request of the judge, our bringing a recording device to help us keep track of information Our lawyer tells us they will not bring our request forward. We ask about the possiblity of us asking for permission ourselves. Our lawyer replies by saying that if we ask in court, they will ask to be removed from our case. I must apologize, but at this time I had to ask our lawyer if they were afraid to crap in the court room. They proceed to tell us that the court is a very respectable, ethical place and the lawyers are very reputable. Keep in mind, we can prove perjury by witnesses and the children's lawyer. The C.A.S lawyer has put a court order on us and then tried to use it against us, then the judge and C.A.S lawyer say they are unaware of any such order. I would at this time also like to draw attention to the recent Justice Zuker transcript altering scandal and the numerous social workers who have been found guilty of perjury, theft, drugs, and guns. We state our right under the Family Law Rules, to request permission from the judge to have our own recording device. We are refused the right by our lawyer even to ask. We are determined to ask the judge ourselves anyway.

We preceeded to wait in the court lobby for almost 3 hours to get called into the respectable family court room. As tapes with our lawyer clearly show we had to attend this appearance, it was a scheduled trial date. Just before lunch our lawyer approaches us saying that the matter is being put over until December. I then ask our lawyer when we are going into the court room. They says it is all done. I dont know, but something tells me our lawyer sat with the children's lawyer, the Children's Aid lawyer and the judge, without us present for just under an hour. Is this normal? Can I actually be required to appear in court, only to be denied an appearance with absolutely no just cause. A secret meeting took place in our Provincial Family Court, which we were required to appear at and a decision was made with us sitting 10 feet away, in a waiting room, totally unaware that our case was being heard. Secret court... I think that type of thing has happened in the past in other tyranical countries. I know this did not just happen in the country I served for, in a time of war, to fight for human rights and democracy.

Two things I would like to say, firstly I expressed great concern with the length of time it was being put over and the continued separation with our children, especially our youngest, the innocent victim. We also mention the fact the Act requires the Society to make permanant arrangements for our youngest as he will have been in care over 12 months, with only a mere 6 hours of seeing his parents. (According to our lawyer the visits are to determine if you have a bond with your child.) I am told by my lawyer again, that the time frames stated in the Act really do not matter.

We left the court house with our rights denied and then thwarted by a secret court case vs. us, that we are not allowed to attend. The system, beyond a shadow of a doubt is corrupt and willing to go to any lengths to deny your civil and legal rights in Canada to ensure its cloak of secrecy.

Stunned

[fixchildrensaid]

[Guest]

I am positive most Judges don't talk like that. Rather they would talk professionally, not talking like a child or a rebellious teenager who would constantly swears out of the whole book. Judges don't do that. Of course some would swear, but it is never out to the public. Maybe at golf or at home. What's worse is the language of a 14 yrs old person. Judges usually use legal professional terms and the english would be outlaugish you all. This is not compared to nothing, but just a person out of venegeful acts. The person who attacks for no apparent reason, is usually Bipolar. They would constantly swears at others, and tells the person to be quiet. That's one of the symptoms of a Bipolar person. The person who really wants to be "somebody" is egomanical and has narcissm tendencies. A smart person would never attack others and would remain professional and mature. This person is very immature at best, and needs alot of growing up to do.

Seriously this person needs alot of help and medication. JMO
Best just to ignore and try help others.

[T D]

not to be arogant but, well know it all(suk it), what is the time table for filing a dismisal motion,(and on what basis they are i cannot discuss),
but i do beleive there are sections and procedural rules affording this !
SO IF INDEED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING,LETS HEAR IT!
but i can tell you this much, they are running like scareed little rodents they are, but i guess that would be, because cheif child molester(c.a.s. lawyer ROY SULLIVAN) does not what to face charges of accesorie after the fact to section:137, suboarding perjury section 131, obstruction of justice 139! and child abuse!
for if this would come to pass, how mant 100`s no no no, 1000`s of c.a.s. cases would have to be set aside!,
but well start with all the c.a.s. cases that "jenifer giroux" has compiled and affirmed supporting affidavits to c.a.s. motions!would that be in the 100`s ? or the 1000`s ?, 1000`s of children living in mental emotional, physical, sexual torturous enviroments because of this sick, twisted, sadistic, evil monster!
but lets not froget the conquiring, and paticipating actions of, linda cullain,
dave watson,molliie dobson, sylvie bourgois,brenda bouvais, judge gay,judge mc loed, and ah yes, lawyer william sangster, and the big fish himself(POKE,POKE, GOT SOMETHING TO SAY?, GOT SOMETHING TO SAY?,GOT SOMETHING TO SAY?.......DIDN`T THINK SO! , he walks away)
i do beleive i posted on him last week on sarnias smoking gun!and lets not forgetfor we would want to hurt her feelings! her holyness court clerk KENERVA,(holder of the holy grail of judicail appointments),

[suk kit]

GAMMY PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE

[Mommabear]

suk..you don't need gammy to remove you, just stop posting..really easy..and when the powers above to remove ppl have time they will remove you from the forum. It's in your power just to never come back to this site and post..easy. have a great day!

[Stunned]

Well the plot really thickens now.

So far this week, the social worker we have been taping has been taken off our case, with the excuse that they are taking a different position in the agency. We have been given another worker. Keep in mind that the C.A.S say the children's stabilty is important. This is the sixth worker involved with our case. ALL 5 so far have lied, mislead, slandered, and abused our rights under Canadian and International law.

Today we recieved letters, delivered to our door. The letters are to inform us that we have a court appearance in August and to inform us that the lawyer is taking themselves off the case.

There is a sworn /cough /cough affidavit, written by the lawyers assistant, that contain once again absolutely unprovable facts on their part. According to our tapes this is not what has been going on.

This lawyer after being found out to be a fraud, misleading and deny citizens their rights granted under The Charter and within the courts has now tucked tail and ran. They denied us our right to even ask the courts to record proceedings. They became so paranoid, that they actually asked and were allowed a secret court trial date to go on with us sitting 10 feet away, totally unaware that our case was being heard.

This lawyers reasons for removing themselves from the case is as follows:

1) Breakdown of solicitor-client relationship

- when you mislead clients and deny them rights they know exist... this happens

2) Clients do not appear to take lawyers advice

- tapes prove otherwise, what advice have we not taken.

3) We have yelled at the assistant, and ended meetings early by either myself or my spouse storming out.

- tapes clearly show lawyer saying there is not enough money in Legal Aid to provide us the time this case requires. On several recorded conversations it is the lawyer being argumentative, contradicting, and cutting meetings short. On one meeting we were asked to attend, we found out that we were meeting in the court lobby. Within 2 hours we had 10 minutes of conversation and were continually shuffled around. Our meeting /cough /cough was interupted by our lawyer having to attend the court room on several occasions. We told our lawyer this was very unprofessional and unaccetpable and left. The lawyer states they are busy and have had to stop taking new cases so this is all they can do.

4) I made a complant to the Law Society.

- you bet we did

5) We advised our lawyer we are taping conversations

- this is when the lawyer becomes very concerned and for the first time says they are going to request to be taken off our case.

6) We have given our lawyer instructions that they in good conscience can not follow.

- asking to tape court hearing

7) Our lawyer has done their best to represent us but is no longer capable.


Can you smell absolute corruption down to the very core of this justice system? The beast is here people, and stealing your children is part of the plan. We are losing all our freedoms and rights. The new world order that has been so quietly scaled down is upon us.

Stunned

[Stunned]

Yet another web site.

Will the politicians ever get it.

I guess they feel it's not in someones "best interest" and it's surely not the children they are concerned about.

http://fixfamilylaw.no-ip.biz/

[YES]

stunned we are doing what we can, media mute button is coming off, given the ruling, no duty of care!

Best interest has nothing to do with CAS child protection,

[Cathy]

Excellent job stunned. Thank goodness you are doing such a good job documenting all this. One day it will tern in your favor and people will be able to see for there selves what this system is about and it will be changed.

This may be why they are so maliciously pursuing you now, to hide their mistakes and lies. If I can be of any help anyway let me know.

[Stunned]

You are so right Cathy it's scary. You know first hand their tactics. They have stopped visits with our youngest again. These people are fanatical psychopaths.

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